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hello everybody this is the original

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outlaw of the airwaves Ryan bringing you

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another VIP episode of hero paranormal

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from Sin City Nevada the Silver State

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just just south of area 51 you all know

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it Las Vegas it's pretty much a ghost

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town these days and we're gonna get into

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that but we're gonna kind of get into

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some other stuff right away first and

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it's stuff that is no joke stuff that

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has been written about that has pretty

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much blown me away our guests let the

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world know about the new owner of

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skinwalker ranch as if that isn't enough

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our guest has had a bunch of other

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amazing articles and I hope we get into

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some of them it is nice a guy as you

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could ever hope to meet

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we've been blessed enough to have him on

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the hero paranormal podcast a couple of

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times now MJ Baniyas if you haven't seen

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his work you've been living under a rock

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or like most of us you've seen his work

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and you didn't know it was his work he's

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the guy that's been able to get things

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done unlike anyone else first he had a

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great article about skinwalker ranch and

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praises and for that article it was

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amazing without skipping a beat he then

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did what nobody else was able to do and

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came out with an article about the owner

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of skinwalker ranch not only did he find

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out who he was not only did they hang

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out I don't want to go into details

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because that's what MJ is gonna do for

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us and if you haven't yet definitely

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format and so now we are going to talk

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to the master media blaster of disaster

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MJ binaya s' he is the cleanest meanest

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in the game right now and we're gonna

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find out how he did the unthinkable

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impossible feat of not only putting

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skinwalker on the map with his amazing

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article and helping get more attention

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towards it but then coming forth with

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the owner's name and it's it's going to

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be a great time it's going to be a lot

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of fun MJ bone is welcome to the hero

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paranormal podcast thank you very much

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great yeah this is exciting you you know

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I had you on Oh quite a while ago and

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since then you've had you've really been

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busy in digging into stuff that is like

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right up my alley and and the kind of

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stuff that I'm into it's been pretty

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exciting it's I think both articles were

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on Vice motherboard on the first one it

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was more or less looking into a UFO hot

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and then on the second one you delved

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into the possible ownership while the

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ownership that was really a secret until

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then could we go into that and how that

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all came about right right that's the

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important thing and it's really exciting

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it's it's it's like a whole new era to

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something that a lot of people have kind

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of had on the back burner so I guess a

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question I did want to ask you is one of

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the coolest articles on the planet in my

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opinion was first let's see it came out

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January 30th of 2020 you dropped an

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article on Vice motherboard titled

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inside skinwalker ranch a paranormal

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hotbed of UFO research great article

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blew me away

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and I was just amazed I was like this is

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great I loved your articles before then

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what kind of brought you down that path

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of the skinwalker so to speak right yeah

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well you know I mean being in the UFO

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paranormal research communities

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skinwalker ranch is definitely a place

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that tends to pop up a lot in

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discussions and in books and podcasts

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and that sort of thing so it has a

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pretty sort of rich history and it's

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kind of you know one of those locations

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that seems to be on a lot of people's

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bucket list this all began for me

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probably about eight months or so before

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the article came out it was during the

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summertime I got in touch with the owner

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Brandon fugal out of Utah and just sort

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of flat out you know said listen I'm

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doing some work I'm doing some research

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and just Ken Walker ranch you know I

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understand you own it you know do you

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want to make a statement for the article

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and he promptly emailed me back and said

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you know listen you know he sort of

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explained the situation to me and he

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said you know if you know who basically

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she's kind of

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offered me an offer I couldn't refuse

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which was less than them you know if you

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if you hold up on the article you can

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come on the ranch and do an exclusive on

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the ranch so for any journalist who's

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beat is UFOs and the paranormal you know

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writing a one article about the ranch

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and just sort of exposing him that way

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versus you know getting the opportunity

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to go on the ranch and actually see

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what's going on and get that's what

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investigative piece out to me the

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journals is a lot more important you

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know outing him was not really the

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purpose of the article but in in kind of

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the way it worked out you know I I

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managed to to get onto the ranch and dig

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in and actually see what they're doing

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there and put aside and kind of start

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chipping away a bit at maybe the the

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mythology and and the weird sort of lore

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and legends that surround the ranch and

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and trying to piece together they

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actually be science that's going on with

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the actual research that's being done so

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yeah that's kind of how it began it

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began as a most like a threat of

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confrontation and it turned into you

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know this this piece or these two pieces

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rather of me being able to come on the

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ranch and then interview him for an

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exclusive so exciting and for a lot of

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people I mean it's it's just kind of a

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new era as far as there's there's more

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transparency apparently and newer

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technology and it's it's really really

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pretty cool for people that are

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following this what was if you don't

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mind me asking what was the climate when

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you visited was it cold was it stormy do

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you mean like in like their

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personalities or like the actual weather

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yeah like the actual weather and

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personalities - good point I mean that's

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important - how was like yeah how did it

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make you feel when you when you rolled

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in yeah so weather-wise it was actually

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you know it's really funny I've never

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been to Utah before and and where I live

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I live in the prairies so the weather

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here is pretty consist

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and everywhere you go so you know I can

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pick a direction and drive for eight

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hours in any direction and it's going to

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be the same weather basically whereas

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when we got to Utah the valley where

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Salt Lake City's in and then the the

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Uintah Basin where we're very beautiful

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and and calm and and the weather was

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nice and then the mountains in between

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the two places were brutal like brutal

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snowstorms so the original plan was to

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fly to the ranch from from Salt Lake

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City but you know we caught on the

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helicopter we started flying and the

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pilot you know said you know zero chance

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are we flying through this and you know

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like well we'll go down in these

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mountains and we'll never find us so

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decided that we should probably turn

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around so we kind of flew into the storm

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a little bit and then we just so I could

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experience it just to basically he was

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one of me me to feel the helicopter

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shake violently that's all he wanted

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really wanted me to scare me with but so

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he turned around and landed back in Salt

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Lake City and we decided the next

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morning that we would jump in in the

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truck and drive and it was hairy man

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like the mountains were basically it was

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there was point points where maybe going

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you know 30 miles an hour down a highway

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because of just the the visibility but

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once we got into the basin it was

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beautiful it was blue skies

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it was a nice warm day there was snow on

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the ground you know maybe a couple

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inches but it was it was awesome the

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ranch was was pretty cool and you know

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the roads were all muddy and and and

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potholed so it was rough to kind of get

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around but um you know it was a it was

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weather-wise it was great I'm getting

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there you know whose it was really nice

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because I got to hang out with um you

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know mr. fugle for about two days before

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I made it to the ranch so you know he

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and I you know we ate together we you

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know I sort of followed him around for

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the day he took me on a tour of Salt

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Lake City and so it was it was kind of

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cool to be with him and you know he and

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I you know we bonded in in a way right

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you know he was I was sort of been

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journalists following him around

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trying to tell his story but once I got

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on the ranch I could tell that

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immediately there was a bit of mistrust

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on the part of the security team there

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they were like you know who is this guy

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you know what's he gonna say about us

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and there was there was that brief one

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hour period of just you know is this guy

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cool and then you know after a while you

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know I I put on the old charm and and

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you know they realized I wasn't you know

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here to harm anybody or caused any

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damage or you know insult anyone

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intelligence I'm just here to tell a

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story so you know it took about an hour

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but eventually we warmed up to each

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other and and you know Brian Arnold who

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is the security chief there he was he

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was pretty cool and we kind of became

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buddies and you know we shot some guns

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it was a good time

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it sounds epic it sounds so so exciting

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it is it is really exciting and it's you

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know it's functioning is kind of in neat

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I think that the follow-up on the

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project it's been really cool reading

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your articles and to ask you another

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question to kind of change track and

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also when you when you met him I loved

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how in the article you were like you

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were 22 stories up in a like striking

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glass building it is just I mean it's

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like a real-life it's like a real life

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you know superhero type story you know

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kind of a Bruce Wayne type of a feel to

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it and I think that it's cool how you

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actually went to the ranch and like

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super followed up what was the

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experience like when in Salt Lake you

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know overlooking the city's skyline and

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and all you know being in the business

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Mecca and just yeah all of that yeah

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yeah you know bugle is you know you

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describe him as a Bruce Wayne and and he

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does have that bit there's a bit of that

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element to him he's also very much like

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a very normal person he's he's totally

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like a sci-fi geek like this guy like

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he's more nerdy than I am and I'm pretty

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nerdy when it comes to sci-fi stuff but

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he's he's a super nerd

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so he has all of the memorabilia he

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loves you know the alien movies and

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Prometheus and Superman and and he's got

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the terminators jacket like he's got all

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of these you know movie props and stuff

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from all these different sci-fi films

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and fantasy films and action movies as

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well so you know he he very much kind of

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has this geeky personality and you know

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he'll randomly quote movies at you so we

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hit it off in that sense just because we

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you know we both like Star Wars and then

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whatever could have conversations about

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nerdy things but he does have you know a

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significant business acumen I mean the

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guy from a commercial real estate

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standpoint and Russ from from a business

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standpoint he's a fairly clever guy he

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makes you know fairly good business

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decisions obviously to the point where

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it's it's made him a significant amount

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of money to the point where he can buy

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you know 512 acres in the middle of Utah

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for no other reason than to study it for

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you know odd phenomena and sink in you

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know a significant amount of resources

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into it you know that being said the

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ranch is still a ranch he does have you

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know cattle being raised on it it's not

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his he sort of rents it to other

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ranchers but so you know I'm sure

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there's some you know economic benefit I

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don't think he's making any money on it

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obviously because you know raising

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cattle isn't exactly a prosperous job

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the such a beautiful ring land but you

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know it for him you know he used this

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place of a science project and he has

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the ability to to do that and function

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in that way um but he was pretty open

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with me I mean you know we were we were

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standing in in his office building and

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just kind of overlooking overlooking

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downtown Salt Lake City and you know he

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was very clear he said you know this is

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you know in a way his search for the

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truth right whatever that may be right

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and in the article I kind of discuss at

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a constant you know is this is sort of

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his search for maybe vindication or for

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God or something to that effect right

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you know what makes the universe tick is

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what he's interested in and if there's

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weird stuff happening is where

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anomalies and paranormal events you know

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is this a process of the universe that

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we just don't understand and what can he

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do

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with his wealth to kind of help us

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understand that so it was pretty neat in

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a like you say sort of in this kind of

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Bruce Wayne kind of superhero way now

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that being said he is just a normal guy

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who makes mistakes you know he's like

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everyone else but he's definitely

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interested in some interesting and odd

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things that's for sure it's great it is

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great for you know it puts it puts

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things that aren't typically expected to

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be interests of people like him and it

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is I think it puts kind of everything in

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a good light for followers of this type

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of phenomena and and things taking place

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it it's interesting I mean an article

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exposing the name of the real estate

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magnate who bought skinwalker ranch it's

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so exciting and man you're killing it

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out there since the last podcast and

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writing about exactly the things that I

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think are the pulse of the paranormal

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until this crazy kovat quarantine and I

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hope that's all going well for you too

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it's wild times how do you how do you

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get such great mind-blowing topics

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approved and how do they come to you

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yeah that is I have been I'm still

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working on that and I have no idea it's

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you know when I started this a long time

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ago you know I never thought that I

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would be writing for for mainstream you

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know outfits like vice or pocket

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mechanics it just never it never crossed

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my mind you know at first I was a

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blogger and then I started writing for

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mysterious universe which for me was an

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honor like mysterious universe and the

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paranormal community is like the news

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source for a lot of people and it was

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there was an epic time and for me I was

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so proud to be writing for them I mean

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they're amazing at at mysterious

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universe and but after my book came out

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you know I was I was trying to pitch

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articles to

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more mainstream sources like vice but

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you know they were never really

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interested because what what wasn't

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happening I think was that that

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translation between connecting the the

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sort of the paranormal you falah djegal

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esoteric content to the mainstream right

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and in my head I was approaching it as

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if everyone knew this stuff is if

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everyone out there in the world knew

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about paranormal stuff or you for

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logical stuff and like they cared and in

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reality you know we care as a community

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like as a subculture you know we care

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about this stuff but to the broader

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world they don't write like they have

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their own problems they've got bills to

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pay and families to raise and you know

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they got to drive their daughters to

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dance class and you know their sons to

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baseball or whatever people do with

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their children I don't know I have to

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it's just my kids do different things I

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guess I don't know I mean hey you know

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they have their lives to live and

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they're interested in in what they're

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interested in and UFOs and the

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paranormal are just not part of that so

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trying to pivot those ideas to a more

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mainstream audience was the big

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challenge and then eventually I I did it

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I got lucky

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vice was interested in the pitch I had

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regarding you know the Navy coming

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forward with some videos as well as what

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kind of young people in the UFO

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community thought of them and I was my

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first vice article because it was kind

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of along their style they're like you

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know what it's kind of two UFO piece

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which is cool it's also about kind of

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the young UFO subculture so yeah let's

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do it and they gave me the chance the

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editor and I you know he really liked

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the work and and he gave me another

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piece and then it became another piece

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and another piece and now it's kind of a

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regular thing

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with bikes and it's just again framing

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the content so it's it appeals to a

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mainstream audience it doesn't bludgeon

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them with you know UFO facts or a

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paranormal facts or whatever more data

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or whatever because again to most people

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you know they just want kind of the

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basic information but yeah that's kind

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of how it began the the ideas kind of

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come I think it's just taking what the

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UFO community is dealing with her has

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dealt with for a long time and figuring

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out how it

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five to everybody in the world right how

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do I sell this weird little ranch that

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no one's ever heard of apart from us to

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a larger community of people right

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that's that's the trick

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and that's actually the hardest part I'd

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be honest I can write 30,000 words about

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skinwalker ranch if I had to right now

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but the problem is it would only really

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appeal to our community right and and

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the goal is to try to make it appeal to

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millions of people who aren't in our

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community right how do I bring them in

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so that's kind of the the the situation

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I'm in and I have to be honest it's

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actually topper like then then I think

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because a lot of times you know I'll

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write an article and my editor will come

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back and be like dude I have this is way

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too like this is way too subcultural for

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us we need to kind of tweak it so we'll

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have to edit stuff out and fix it and

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shape it up so that it's you know a

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little more like I said approachable by

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mainstream audiences but yeah that's

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that's really all it is that's that's

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the secret sauce yeah I mean mysterious

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universe I agree it's great it's the

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best but it's like bringing in the

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broader mainstream you know UFOs and the

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paranormal

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especially through a like vice it's such

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it's it's just epic I wanted to ask you

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also what you were mentioning like this

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this is very odd and different and

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subculture and there's a part of your

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article where you asked him straight up

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I'd let me read it here it's great why

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the hell did you buy skinwalker ranch

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are you crazy

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for somebody so successful so it's

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obviously it's it's altruistic in some

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way shape or form to him and I think

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that's really cool that you kind of

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really dug in there and you know to find

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the the tougher answers that we're all

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striving to know well you know the thing

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is there's a lot of speculation um and

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and the UFO community is almost

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naturally designed to be incredibly

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conspiratorial and to find shadows in in

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corners that don't really exist and

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you know only today like literally on

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Twitter

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someone was was you know questioning you

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know whether you know the skinwalker

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thing was a big scam and and I mean I

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guess you could sort of find that route

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of conspiratorial thinking to get to

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that conclusion the same way you can

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find the route of conspiratorial

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thinking to assume that JFK was murdered

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by the Illuminati and you know the

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president is a lizard person like you

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could kind of find that evidence if you

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really wanted to so long as you kind of

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you know play fast and loose with with

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the facts a little bit you know you can

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get to any conclusion you want so it's

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it's it's we're kind of as a group often

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bent towards a conspiracy and thinking

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that everyone's out to get us and I'm

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not really sure if that's the case and I

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think once you you start peeling back

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kind of the the mythology we build

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around things like skinwalker ranch like

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Brandon fugle like this whole situation

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around the ranch has occurred for the

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last two decades or so right the bass in

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the knids era and and the Sherman family

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and and sort of the sale of the ranch to

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people like all that stuff the last 20

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or 30 years of history once you started

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kind of just peeling back and looking at

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it you realize that it's just people

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right just humans making decisions

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sometimes because they believe in aliens

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in the case of mr. Bigelow sometimes in

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the case of maybe you know getting some

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money in you know in regards to the

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Sherman's and buying a ranch and you

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know and and in the case of mr. bugle

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it's literally just he has the money to

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buy an expensive thing and study it

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00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:05,630
because he's you know just like I'm you

540
00:24:08,770 --> 00:24:06,890
know I don't let my interested in I have

541
00:24:11,290 --> 00:24:08,780
hobbies I just give I'm interested in

542
00:24:13,540 --> 00:24:11,300
UFOs so it's natural for me to spend you

543
00:24:15,700 --> 00:24:13,550
know a hundred dollars a month on UFO

544
00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:15,710
books where to someone who's not into

545
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:17,510
UFOs they would view that as an insane

546
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:20,810
act you know I mean so it's it's just

547
00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:23,570
humans doing human things and I don't

548
00:24:28,050 --> 00:24:25,310
think that there's really any conspiracy

549
00:24:30,340 --> 00:24:28,060
or malice behind it

550
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:30,350
it's just people doing what they

551
00:24:37,090 --> 00:24:34,490
they want to do so yeah it is very human

552
00:24:39,759 --> 00:24:37,100
right I mean you know if I could afford

553
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:39,769
skinwalker ranch I would probably buy it

554
00:24:45,879 --> 00:24:43,250
I can't so I won't but you know like

555
00:24:47,470 --> 00:24:45,889
it's just it's what you're interested in

556
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,480
what you're into and I think that's one

557
00:24:50,590 --> 00:24:49,039
thing that our community kind of needs

558
00:24:54,249 --> 00:24:50,600
just to get a grip on right it's just

559
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:54,259
people being people and sometimes for

560
00:24:57,220 --> 00:24:55,610
sure there's going to be dishonesty

561
00:24:59,889 --> 00:24:57,230
right sometimes there's going to be con

562
00:25:03,009 --> 00:24:59,899
artists lumped into our community who

563
00:25:04,570 --> 00:25:03,019
engage in nefarious activities but I

564
00:25:06,940 --> 00:25:04,580
think most of the time that's not the

565
00:25:09,700 --> 00:25:06,950
case most of the time people are just

566
00:25:11,259 --> 00:25:09,710
doing what they want to do and it's and

567
00:25:13,299 --> 00:25:11,269
there's nothing there's no there's no

568
00:25:15,879 --> 00:25:13,309
ill-will or malice or anything illegal

569
00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:15,889
happening and so yeah it's I've had a

570
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:18,049
lot of blowback actually out of this

571
00:25:23,259 --> 00:25:20,330
article from people who think that fugle

572
00:25:26,919 --> 00:25:23,269
is some sort of con man who's trying to

573
00:25:28,180 --> 00:25:26,929
milk skinwalker ranch for money and it's

574
00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:28,190
fine if you they want to believe that

575
00:25:32,289 --> 00:25:29,929
but I have to be honest he doesn't need

576
00:25:35,379 --> 00:25:32,299
the money you know like any money

577
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:35,389
skinwalker ranch earns is literally like

578
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:38,240
to him a to for you know a 24 case of

579
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:40,850
beer like that that's basically yet so

580
00:25:45,549 --> 00:25:43,610
it's it's interesting it's a it's a

581
00:25:49,389 --> 00:25:45,559
weird world and how it's all played out

582
00:25:51,389 --> 00:25:49,399
for me for the last few months yes

583
00:25:54,820 --> 00:25:51,399
it is long way to answer your questions

584
00:25:59,259 --> 00:25:54,830
I love it no but it's it's controversial

585
00:26:02,169 --> 00:25:59,269
and it is like you said people get

586
00:26:04,570 --> 00:26:02,179
caught up in it and reality tends to

587
00:26:06,730 --> 00:26:04,580
fade but it's something that researchers

588
00:26:09,820 --> 00:26:06,740
that are into it big time kind of call

589
00:26:11,980 --> 00:26:09,830
ranch fever and it's it's like where you

590
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:11,990
analyze every little thing and I've been

591
00:26:16,060 --> 00:26:13,279
caught up in it and I know a lot of

592
00:26:19,450 --> 00:26:16,070
people haven't it's hard to stay out of

593
00:26:21,639 --> 00:26:19,460
that that think that groupthink but it

594
00:26:24,639 --> 00:26:21,649
is controversial I mean this property's

595
00:26:26,860 --> 00:26:24,649
so off the beaten path it's just not not

596
00:26:28,749 --> 00:26:26,870
the normal you know thing that you would

597
00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:28,759
want your clients to know about

598
00:26:36,220 --> 00:26:30,289
especially somebody in his position and

599
00:26:38,110 --> 00:26:36,230
I think he said that you know he he knew

600
00:26:40,869 --> 00:26:38,120
that he couldn't keep his ownership of

601
00:26:43,090 --> 00:26:40,879
the ranch secret forever and after all

602
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:43,100
it's it's one of the most scientifically

603
00:26:47,530 --> 00:26:44,240
studied paranoid

604
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,540
hotspots on the planet this is just I

605
00:26:52,270 --> 00:26:50,000
mean eventually he knew he had to engage

606
00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:52,280
and I think it's cool that he chose you

607
00:26:58,450 --> 00:26:55,310
because you you you got into the more

608
00:27:00,400 --> 00:26:58,460
mind-blowing stuff and the topics that

609
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:00,410
you know are really interesting about

610
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:03,650
the why and I think it's so strange you

611
00:27:10,210 --> 00:27:05,690
know the skinwalker ranch as a project

612
00:27:12,430 --> 00:27:10,220
it's great yeah no you know what I think

613
00:27:14,260 --> 00:27:12,440
if there is something going on right you

614
00:27:16,450 --> 00:27:14,270
want someone who's fairly objective

615
00:27:19,180 --> 00:27:16,460
he seems like a fairly objective

616
00:27:21,220 --> 00:27:19,190
individual in the sense that you know he

617
00:27:23,530 --> 00:27:21,230
often sort of said you know this is what

618
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:23,540
it could be but I don't know so until

619
00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:26,890
the data comes in right you know he is

620
00:27:32,050 --> 00:27:29,510
he's gonna be secretive in the sense

621
00:27:34,540 --> 00:27:32,060
that they just don't have enough data to

622
00:27:36,130 --> 00:27:34,550
make any conclusions yeah right so you

623
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:36,140
know everyone's gonna speculate whether

624
00:27:40,810 --> 00:27:38,810
it's paranormal or some government

625
00:27:42,430 --> 00:27:40,820
program or you know you could just run

626
00:27:44,110 --> 00:27:42,440
down the list of all the youthful

627
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:44,120
logical like it's aliens or whatever you

628
00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:45,170
can run down the list of all the

629
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:46,910
different you know possibilities and

630
00:27:52,330 --> 00:27:49,600
speculative hypotheses that people have

631
00:27:54,250 --> 00:27:52,340
but he and his team you know they might

632
00:27:55,900 --> 00:27:54,260
have their own personal opinion like

633
00:27:58,030 --> 00:27:55,910
they might have their own personal

634
00:27:59,650 --> 00:27:58,040
hypotheses but realistically they're not

635
00:28:02,080 --> 00:27:59,660
going to talk about it until the data is

636
00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:02,090
in right they need a lot more data they

637
00:28:06,970 --> 00:28:04,910
need a lot more time you know he you

638
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:06,980
know he bought the ranch in 2016 they

639
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:09,170
really got it up and running about a

640
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:12,530
year you know shy of a year later early

641
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:17,330
2017 ish you know late 2016 maybe that's

642
00:28:21,370 --> 00:28:18,530
when they sort of had most of their

643
00:28:23,410 --> 00:28:21,380
equipment kind of going up the last year

644
00:28:25,630 --> 00:28:23,420
two years or so has really been kind of

645
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:25,640
the big push all of the big tech that's

646
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:27,710
been rolled out and now the heavy data

647
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:30,650
collection is now occurring is good

648
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:33,290
science takes time right and you know I

649
00:28:36,670 --> 00:28:34,850
think if people are expecting you know

650
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,680
we should see reports coming out we

651
00:28:40,690 --> 00:28:38,720
should you know know the story well

652
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:40,700
listen you know most scientific studies

653
00:28:46,270 --> 00:28:43,090
take a minimum of five to ten years so

654
00:28:48,010 --> 00:28:46,280
like again right there's this rush in

655
00:28:49,090 --> 00:28:48,020
the community we want to know the answer

656
00:28:51,370 --> 00:28:49,100
we want oh the answer we want oh the

657
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:51,380
answer but they're not going to kind of

658
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:52,850
you know slap it down and be like well

659
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:54,650
we saw one thing here you go baby

660
00:29:00,280 --> 00:28:58,010
evidence UFOs are real they're gonna

661
00:29:03,010 --> 00:29:00,290
obviously do proper studies and again

662
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:03,020
it's gonna kind of bug the UFO community

663
00:29:07,870 --> 00:29:05,110
a little bit because those studies

664
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:07,880
obviously take a lot longer than most

665
00:29:12,970 --> 00:29:11,120
people are willing to wait especially

666
00:29:16,660 --> 00:29:12,980
people who don't have a background in

667
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:16,670
sort of anything science related right

668
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:20,110
good science take a long time to do so

669
00:29:25,270 --> 00:29:23,210
yeah it was a controversial purchase for

670
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:25,280
him for sure but the way he's

671
00:29:29,950 --> 00:29:27,530
approaching it I think is is to kind of

672
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:29,960
reduce that content that the controversy

673
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:33,530
around it right let's let's let's take a

674
00:29:36,730 --> 00:29:34,910
look at what the skeptics are saying

675
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:36,740
let's take a look what the believers are

676
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:38,960
saying and let's find where the evidence

677
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:41,120
and the fact actually lie here and then

678
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:43,130
once we have enough of those facts and

679
00:29:48,370 --> 00:29:45,050
enough evidence let's come to a

680
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:48,380
conclusion then with what we have yeah I

681
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:51,290
like that good science takes time that's

682
00:29:56,530 --> 00:29:52,850
so true

683
00:30:00,220 --> 00:29:56,540
in the article MJ you mentioned that his

684
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:00,230
journey kind of began in 2010 and I

685
00:30:05,140 --> 00:30:02,480
thought it was so neat that he and

686
00:30:06,940 --> 00:30:05,150
several others did a project that

687
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:06,950
basically went into gravitational

688
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:10,370
physics theories and renewable energy

689
00:30:14,140 --> 00:30:12,320
and he admits as a shot in the dark but

690
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:14,150
he went for it I mean this is kind of

691
00:30:18,460 --> 00:30:16,610
that good science takes time it's you

692
00:30:22,510 --> 00:30:18,470
know being able to get back up and get

693
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:22,520
back on the horse and not reaching for

694
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:25,850
something to spread quickly and and then

695
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:28,370
you know if you don't it seems like

696
00:30:32,860 --> 00:30:30,530
sometimes people like in the there are

697
00:30:36,390 --> 00:30:32,870
some nut jobs they immediately go to

698
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:36,400
conspiracy it's it's so cool that he is

699
00:30:40,510 --> 00:30:39,170
involved in these projects and I just I

700
00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:40,520
just think that your coverage of it is

701
00:30:47,530 --> 00:30:45,710
epic oh I I appreciate it yeah it's yeah

702
00:30:49,780 --> 00:30:47,540
you know he's had an interest in this

703
00:30:50,860 --> 00:30:49,790
stuff and and it's you know he seems to

704
00:30:52,420 --> 00:30:50,870
be doing what he's doing but I

705
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:52,430
appreciate your kind words about my

706
00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:55,730
coverage I I you know hopefully people

707
00:30:58,930 --> 00:30:57,110
enjoy it and hopefully people read it

708
00:31:01,420 --> 00:30:58,940
because that's all I I really want to do

709
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:01,430
is I want to tell good stories so thanks

710
00:31:05,890 --> 00:31:03,170
very much for your kind words I do

711
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:05,900
appreciate them yeah it's it reads um

712
00:31:10,990 --> 00:31:08,210
well I mean it's just so neat the people

713
00:31:11,860 --> 00:31:11,000
he's he's gotten to meet and how they

714
00:31:13,570 --> 00:31:11,870
became friends

715
00:31:15,310 --> 00:31:13,580
working on these amazing projects

716
00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:15,320
whether whether these things came to

717
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:16,760
fruition or not you know like they're

718
00:31:23,170 --> 00:31:20,090
these are big questions and big issues

719
00:31:25,170 --> 00:31:23,180
that are being tackled and I mean among

720
00:31:27,130 --> 00:31:25,180
those names it's it's how put off

721
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:27,140
Christopher green it's it's amazing

722
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:30,170
Robert Bigelow it's just I mean it's

723
00:31:35,710 --> 00:31:33,440
entertaining and regarding the ranch I'm

724
00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:35,720
a sucker for anything that has to do

725
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:38,990
with it so that being stated when I when

726
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:40,370
I heard of the article and I read it I

727
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,530
was just like this is the best idea ever

728
00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:44,960
and I think it's great that you're

729
00:31:52,210 --> 00:31:48,110
proposing these ideas and did you get

730
00:31:54,370 --> 00:31:52,220
any inkling of what did did he go into

731
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:54,380
any inkling of what it was like to like

732
00:31:58,690 --> 00:31:56,240
meet with some of these amazing people

733
00:32:02,980 --> 00:31:58,700
like dr. he'll put off Bigelow

734
00:32:06,130 --> 00:32:02,990
Christopher green he did yeah I mean his

735
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:06,140
we spoke we spoke the most about about

736
00:32:11,770 --> 00:32:09,530
Robert Bigelow um you know he got to

737
00:32:15,910 --> 00:32:11,780
meet with him obviously prior to the

738
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:15,920
purchase you know they talked about you

739
00:32:19,210 --> 00:32:17,360
know their various projects they talked

740
00:32:21,610 --> 00:32:19,220
about obviously space exploration and

741
00:32:25,330 --> 00:32:21,620
they talked about the ranch and you know

742
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:25,340
what what what sort of the transition

743
00:32:28,810 --> 00:32:26,809
would be like it was a lot of business

744
00:32:30,580 --> 00:32:28,820
and they definitely sort of discussed

745
00:32:32,590 --> 00:32:30,590
some some personal things too in regards

746
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:32,600
to you know maybe their personal outlook

747
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:34,809
and belief in these things and they

748
00:32:44,350 --> 00:32:38,210
didn't get very many details um but I

749
00:32:48,390 --> 00:32:44,360
think you know overall it it shows that

750
00:32:50,770 --> 00:32:48,400
you know there's still this kind of

751
00:32:53,049 --> 00:32:50,780
close-knit close-knit not closed

752
00:32:54,610 --> 00:32:53,059
close-knit group of individuals who have

753
00:32:57,310 --> 00:32:54,620
been studying this phenomenon for a

754
00:33:01,660 --> 00:32:57,320
while since you know the 1970s some of

755
00:33:04,299 --> 00:33:01,670
them and and they kind of continue on

756
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:04,309
with each other you know working

757
00:33:07,210 --> 00:33:05,809
together and obviously this you know how

758
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:07,220
put off kick green you know what we

759
00:33:10,810 --> 00:33:08,809
refer to often is the invisible college

760
00:33:12,730 --> 00:33:10,820
right the you know what the valet kind

761
00:33:15,010 --> 00:33:12,740
of spoke of in the book this kind of

762
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:15,020
group of people who have been engaged

763
00:33:20,410 --> 00:33:18,050
together for you know the better part of

764
00:33:21,790 --> 00:33:20,420
40 years you know studying UFOs and the

765
00:33:24,220 --> 00:33:21,800
paranormal and all these different

766
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:24,230
things and for better or worse right I

767
00:33:27,910 --> 00:33:25,850
mean you know

768
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,920
times what happens is when groups are

769
00:33:31,450 --> 00:33:29,600
together for so long they start to still

770
00:33:34,810 --> 00:33:31,460
pipe and they become echo chambers and

771
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:34,820
you know obviously you need some you

772
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:38,720
know new blood every once in a while to

773
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:41,330
mix it up a bit and to challenge ideas

774
00:33:45,870 --> 00:33:43,610
and whatever but you know they're

775
00:33:50,220 --> 00:33:45,880
they're this kind of group of

776
00:33:53,140 --> 00:33:50,230
like-minded individuals let's say who

777
00:33:55,690 --> 00:33:53,150
engage in the stuff together and and

778
00:33:58,660 --> 00:33:55,700
obviously you know mr. fugle is is

779
00:34:00,790 --> 00:33:58,670
somehow connected to them you know I

780
00:34:04,660 --> 00:34:00,800
think he's he's a little more skeptical

781
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,670
maybe than some of them are you know for

782
00:34:07,810 --> 00:34:06,320
example you know mr. Bigelow publicly

783
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:07,820
stated you know yeah I believe in

784
00:34:11,020 --> 00:34:09,290
extraterrestrials and I believe they're

785
00:34:13,150 --> 00:34:11,030
visiting earth you know I don't think

786
00:34:14,890 --> 00:34:13,160
you know mr. Duggal is prepared to make

787
00:34:16,180 --> 00:34:14,900
that statement I don't think he would

788
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:16,190
probably say live not sure if there's no

789
00:34:20,410 --> 00:34:18,560
evidence to prove that but you know

790
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:20,420
maybe it's a possibility

791
00:34:26,590 --> 00:34:24,890
so you know you have you have this

792
00:34:28,630 --> 00:34:26,600
relationship that's been formed since

793
00:34:30,660 --> 00:34:28,640
2010 I think between all of these

794
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:30,670
individuals you know mr. fugle included

795
00:34:35,290 --> 00:34:33,530
and and you know that's an interesting

796
00:34:37,930 --> 00:34:35,300
little group of people who I would love

797
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,940
to to you know just as a journalist

798
00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:39,440
write I would love to kind of dig into

799
00:34:43,150 --> 00:34:41,990
more and see sort of find more

800
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:43,160
information about them and what makes

801
00:34:46,030 --> 00:34:44,810
them tick and talk about talk to them

802
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:46,040
about their their ideas and their

803
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:48,560
beliefs because I think it is

804
00:34:54,820 --> 00:34:51,050
interesting and compelling and again

805
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:54,830
it's good storytelling but yeah it's

806
00:34:57,580 --> 00:34:56,090
cool it was cool it said I kind of

807
00:35:00,610 --> 00:34:57,590
discuss and and and you know obviously

808
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:00,620
for me personally I I wrote a book where

809
00:35:06,610 --> 00:35:02,720
I interviewed how hood often kit green

810
00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:06,620
and and dr. Gary Nolan you know so so I

811
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:09,250
know some of the people that he knows

812
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:13,520
because we sort of speak off and on just

813
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:15,410
in regards to sort of doing research for

814
00:35:20,110 --> 00:35:17,570
articles or whatever and I'll often kind

815
00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:20,120
of go to them for for you know maybe

816
00:35:22,660 --> 00:35:21,710
some directions who do I need to talk to

817
00:35:24,910 --> 00:35:22,670
you about this and then they'll

818
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:24,920
sometimes point me in you know oh you

819
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,000
should talk to this guy you should talk

820
00:35:30,130 --> 00:35:28,400
to this person over here and so yeah

821
00:35:32,050 --> 00:35:30,140
it's it's kind of this group that that

822
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:32,060
you know it was nice to kind of hear

823
00:35:37,390 --> 00:35:34,010
some of his thoughts on them because you

824
00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:37,400
know I had some similar ideas okay good

825
00:35:41,530 --> 00:35:39,230
we we see eye to eye on this end

826
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,540
or that individual yeah that guy's

827
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:43,280
totally nuts with you know one thing we

828
00:35:48,190 --> 00:35:46,730
said no I'm just joking um you know we

829
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:48,200
yeah it was it was it was fun it was a

830
00:35:52,540 --> 00:35:51,200
good time to kind of get to know some of

831
00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:52,550
these people a little better from his

832
00:35:59,620 --> 00:35:55,430
perspective but it that way yeah it is

833
00:36:01,120 --> 00:35:59,630
it's so cool that he has that connection

834
00:36:02,380 --> 00:36:01,130
and it really is like an invisible

835
00:36:05,770 --> 00:36:02,390
college I love it they're

836
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:05,780
larger-than-life characters and it's

837
00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:08,570
it's interesting that this you know it's

838
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:11,510
named adamantium I believe the you know

839
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:13,850
I mean it's interesting how this you

840
00:36:19,180 --> 00:36:16,490
know is it really does read like a

841
00:36:21,310 --> 00:36:19,190
real-life comic book just because of

842
00:36:23,140 --> 00:36:21,320
these larger-than-life characters and

843
00:36:26,980 --> 00:36:23,150
what they're involved in it's amazing

844
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:26,990
and it seems like really we kind of may

845
00:36:33,340 --> 00:36:30,410
have the ideal successor with the

846
00:36:36,940 --> 00:36:33,350
background and and character and and the

847
00:36:38,820 --> 00:36:36,950
passion as your article states that is

848
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:38,830
required for this type of position so

849
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:43,609
I'm sure the story will go on MJ where

850
00:36:48,010 --> 00:36:45,440
can you tell our listeners where they

851
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:48,020
can find your books where they can find

852
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:50,510
your articles your things of that nature

853
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:52,450
and stay in touch with what you're up to

854
00:36:57,130 --> 00:36:55,130
yeah totally and the the best place to

855
00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:57,140
find sort of all my content lumps

856
00:37:02,740 --> 00:36:58,570
together just my website

857
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:02,750
MJ bond is calm and everything is Google

858
00:37:08,109 --> 00:37:05,359
MJ but ice you'll find it all of my

859
00:37:12,730 --> 00:37:08,119
articles get archived there links to my

860
00:37:15,090 --> 00:37:12,740
book my very now-defunct youtube channel

861
00:37:17,740 --> 00:37:15,100
which you know lasts a solid year and

862
00:37:20,859 --> 00:37:17,750
bouncing kind of been put on the backlog

863
00:37:22,510 --> 00:37:20,869
because of all the writing so yeah it's

864
00:37:23,770 --> 00:37:22,520
all kind of there my blog terrib Sakura

865
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:23,780
you can still access through that

866
00:37:29,530 --> 00:37:26,510
website as well I'm on social media as

867
00:37:32,380 --> 00:37:29,540
well Twitter is my main hangout and I'm

868
00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:32,390
just at MJ be nice yeah and obviously

869
00:37:37,810 --> 00:37:34,390
drop me a line I love hearing from

870
00:37:39,550 --> 00:37:37,820
individuals sort of and my real interest

871
00:37:42,190 --> 00:37:39,560
is people's stories so if you have a

872
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,200
cool UFO story or a cool paranormal

873
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:44,480
story to tell and you know shoot me an

874
00:37:47,740 --> 00:37:45,040
email

875
00:37:50,260 --> 00:37:47,750
I'll definitely you know check it out

876
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:50,270
read it you know if I find it really

877
00:37:52,750 --> 00:37:51,410
interesting I'll definitely shoot you an

878
00:37:54,450 --> 00:37:52,760
email back and I'll

879
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:54,460
I'll definitely want to hear more

880
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:57,200
because I love sort of hearing people's

881
00:38:01,870 --> 00:37:58,490
stories and then seeing how they all

882
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:01,880
connect so yeah feel free to reach out

883
00:38:07,060 --> 00:38:04,610
I'm happy to talk to anybody about

884
00:38:09,850 --> 00:38:07,070
anything oh that's great

885
00:38:11,620 --> 00:38:09,860
and I can't wait to have you back it's

886
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:11,630
keep doing what you're doing keep

887
00:38:15,970 --> 00:38:13,730
writing about the things that are so

888
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:15,980
surreal I mean real life is stranger

889
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:18,290
than fiction and you're not you're

890
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:21,680
getting to those awesome topics it's

891
00:38:24,940 --> 00:38:22,370
just great

892
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:24,950
thanks again MJ and I can't wait to talk

893
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:27,530
to you again thanks very much it's been

894
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:29,690
an honor I appreciate it well there you

895
00:38:36,490 --> 00:38:33,440
have it my favorite as far as articles

896
00:38:40,540 --> 00:38:36,500
go it's always MJ bond is bringing us

897
00:38:43,210 --> 00:38:40,550
the best projects of the most important

898
00:38:45,010 --> 00:38:43,220
topics and all was in a timely manner

899
00:38:47,740 --> 00:38:45,020
can't thank him enough for coming on the

900
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:47,750
podcast he's really really a cool guy

901
00:38:54,810 --> 00:38:52,160
and until next time if you have nothing

902
00:38:56,650 --> 00:38:54,820
to do while you stay home with this

903
00:38:59,520 --> 00:38:56,660
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904
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908
00:39:16,210 --> 00:39:13,730
out there and stay safe keep your eyes

909
00:39:24,030 --> 00:39:16,220
to the skies feet on the ground but

910
00:39:36,019 --> 00:39:27,120
[Applause]

911
00:39:38,849 --> 00:39:36,029
[Music]

912
00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:38,859
cool ass off in my time machine

913
00:39:48,029 --> 00:39:42,119
sir I feel like it needs a blast not

914
00:39:50,729 --> 00:39:48,039
blast off no blast off co blast off in